Singapore Expats

Hi,

I am 33 year old Indian IT professional and have lived in Singapore for close to 9 years out of which 7 years was as PR. I have a salary of 110K annually. I got married recently and have applied for my wifes PR but they rejected it. I have heard that a lot of PRs were getting rejected but I was not expecting this. I mean what do they expect us to do, a person who made Singapore their home for 9 years and then when they get married not give their spouse a PR? That would make our future in SG uncertain. Are they expecting one person to live as PR and the other to live on LTVP? In other words they are asking me to find another home

Any suggestions on how to approach this situation?

nalgene wrote:Hi,

I am 33 year old Indian IT professional and have lived in Singapore for close to 9 years out of which 7 years was as PR. I have a salary of 110K annually. I got married recently and have applied for my wifes PR but they rejected it. I have heard that a lot of PRs were getting rejected but I was not expecting this. I mean what do they expect us to do, a person who made Singapore their home for 9 years and then when they get married not give their spouse a PR? That would make our future in SG uncertain. Are they expecting one person to live as PR and the other to live on LTVP? In other words they are asking me to find another home

Any suggestions on how to approach this situation?

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nalgene wrote:I mean what do they expect us to do, a person who made Singapore their home for 9 years and then when they get married not give their spouse a PR? That would make our future in SG uncertain.

The gahmen expects you to integrate into this country, probably marrying a local and make your future in SG certain. However, you went back to motherland, got a wife and hope to bring her as SPR, despite being here for 9 years?

Another thing to consider, albeit, not pleasant, if the fact that the government mistakenly gave out far too many PRs to Indian Nationals in the IT industry, not realizing that the vast majority were only using Singapore as a stepping stone to Aus or Canada.

They gave out so many PRs to so many IT people from India that it skewed the resident population demographics by 2%. They have been trying, since the 2011 GE to get the demographics back to where they are comfortable. Indian Nationals are feeling the brunt of this trimming. They "seem" to be using some tactics that are a bit suspect to my way of thinking as well, but there you go, welcome to Singapore. Two of the more subliminal methods seem to be not to give PR to children, therefore forcing them into costly International Schools after the sponsor has taken up PR and likely had most 'expat' subsidies removed and the additional cut of CPF deductions.

Or, in the case as mentioned and specifically when marrying from your home country (arranged marriage perchance?) They might be refusing to give PR in the hope it will force the sponsor to give up their PR and move on, either home or Canada/Aus because they feel and almost everybody knows, worldwide, that no matter what, Indians will always retain the right to return to India as a bolt hole, OCI I believe replaced the older PIO card. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_ ... p_of_India

How else can I say, "your countrymen who came before you abused the system and have made it a lot more difficult for those following"?

Boo Hoo Hoo. Cry me a river.

My American wife, with a PHD, a 100K+ salary and a bloody SC child didn't get it. You're nothing. Get over yourself. (And yes, look for another home).

The PR rejection for dependents has been happening since 2010 for certain nationalities (India, Philippines, Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia and others). This is part of the SG government's immigration policy changes. I think you may need to assess whether it is still worth it to stay here. For some , it is worth it because of career prospects, security and other reasons. For some, it made sense to migrate to another country that gives PR for families through a points system or go back home. Another option would be to apply for SG citizenship for yourself at first (approval not guaranteed), then apply for PR then eventually citizenship for your wife.

nalgene wrote:Hi,

I am 33 year old Indian IT professional and have lived in Singapore for close to 9 years out of which 7 years was as PR. I have a salary of 110K annually. I got married recently and have applied for my wifes PR but they rejected it. I have heard that a lot of PRs were getting rejected but I was not expecting this. I mean what do they expect us to do, a person who made Singapore their home for 9 years and then when they get married not give their spouse a PR? That would make our future in SG uncertain. Are they expecting one person to live as PR and the other to live on LTVP? In other words they are asking me to find another home

Any suggestions on how to approach this situation?

The reason might be that you got married recently and applied immediately. Let her stay in SG for 3-4 years and then re-apply.

nalgene wrote:Hi,

I am 33 year old Indian IT professional and have lived in Singapore for close to 9 years out of which 7 years was as PR. I have a salary of 110K annually. I got married recently and have applied for my wifes PR but they rejected it. I have heard that a lot of PRs were getting rejected but I was not expecting this. I mean what do they expect us to do, a person who made Singapore their home for 9 years and then when they get married not give their spouse a PR? That would make our future in SG uncertain. Are they expecting one person to live as PR and the other to live on LTVP? In other words they are asking me to find another home

Any suggestions on how to approach this situation?

how ? Migrate to some place where all are more welcome ?

So LTVP is below your dignity ?

I know guys who are PR for 15 years and can't get PR for wife. They seem contented with LTVP.

PS, 9 years and you deserve what ?

Unless your intention is to make your wife employable. In which case, you should have done your homework before getting married...

No offence. Too entitled ?

singaporeflyer wrote: The reason might be that you got married recently and applied immediately. Let her stay in SG for 3-4 years and then re-apply.

the race factor won't help much even after 3 or 4 years.

OP, as you speak, an Indian guy I know got married and within 3 months, his wife got PR. Here's the clincher - he is not in IT, for a start. And he's on a government scholarship program with a 5 year bond.



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How is your wife having a LTVP vs a PR making your future in SG uncertain?

PR is meant to be a stepping stone to citizenship. Have babies, if they are male sign them up for NS, and apply whenever for SG passport and give up your Indian one. Once you are citizen, more likely she will be granted PR.

As I said - what makes this path any different if your wife has LTVP or PR? Sure, it doesn't look good that you married someone from India rather than local - can be seen to indicate you really see India as home not Singapore - that in 9 years here you couldn't form a suitable long term relationship - but I guess we can't control who we fall in love with.

You might want to return some of the dowry though, if you negotiated a higher rate based on being able to get your wife Singapore PR...

^^^^^This!

okonu wrote: You might want to return some of the dowry though, if you negotiated a higher rate based on being able to get your wife Singapore PR...

the guy hasn't mentioned how much blood he donated and you are picking on him and questioning his commitment to Singapore ?

Hiya,

Thanks for all the replies.

I guess I need to divorce my wife and get a Singaporean one.

the guy hasn't mentioned how much blood he donated

does this help? does singapore government keep a track of this. Are there any preferred blood donation organizations that increases the chances of getting a PR, may be a Singaporean one?

few of my opinions.

marrying a local

- How many Indian guys who migrated to Singapore got married to a Singaporean Girl? As I am in the IT field and I know a lot of Indians, I know none,(might be wrong) but I do know some who got married to South Koreans and filipinos and one even to a the middle east, forgot the exact country. So the expectation to integrate into the country by marrying a Sg girl is unfair and is against our odds. Moreover encouraging people to get married in hope of getting a visa is not a healthy thing to have.

They might be refusing to give PR in the hope it will force the sponsor to give up their PR and move on, either home or Canada/Aus

Was not expecting this kind of dirty tactics from Singapore, a country with such high standards. A country which I strongly defended among my friends who has long migrated to other countries.

You might want to return some of the dowry though, if you negotiated a higher rate based on being able to get your wife Singapore PR..

Indian is a big country with lots of cultures, not sure about other parts of india, but where I live, we do not negotiate dowry and its a thing of past.

btw, does a letter from a Singaporean friend help the cause.

nalgene wrote:btw, does a letter from a Singaporean friend help the cause.

Only if your Singaporean friend is the PM. Even that is not a sure thing. As far as outdated cultures in India are concerned, the Rape culture is outdated, but you'd never know it in India would you.

Was not expecting this kind of dirty tactics from Singapore, a country with such high standards. A country which I strongly defended among my friends who has long migrated to other countries.

Well, to be honest, Indian Nationals started the dirty tricks. So, the Government is playing your own game. You countrymen have been gaming the system here for 20 years. The government has finally wised up and you problems are a direct result of your own kind. Don't blame Singapore for finally playing the game using your rules for a while.

NB: I'm sure you know quite of few of them who have been playing the game here, don't you. But you'd rather not admit to it because you don't want to be tarred with the same brush.