PR Approved 2023

[Hope2023]

Volunteering abuse I have no comments in that.

End of the day it's about getting to know the community and helping the fellow people near you.

Apart from volunteering , neighbour hood events is another way to integrate.

Yes it's not a guarantee that's the reason they will give you.

Years of volunteering as mentioned and continous contribution to the community will speak the difference.

If tomorrow going to apply, today don't go do volunteering.

[Lisafuller]

Congrats to u From hk.

Quota matters ..different nationality different quota..

For indian quota the struggle is 4 to 5 times tougher than other nationalities honestly

Last 13 years we tried everything we seen in this forum. But I am not recommending anything coz we don't know if it works.

One big regret is going to AGENCY - paid in the first 2 attempts waste of money don't use agency.

They are just scam to cheat people..they shut down companies and come back with new name after warningg from gov...and yet again cheat people so don't fall for the agencies who say they can get u pr. That's a blind lie.

They cant it's in the power of ica.

Stay long in singapore, integrate, integrate.

Thanks

Congratulations Hope2023! Your perseverance as quoted by many, is truly admirable and inspiring.
I have a question (open to all). I have seen everyone use the word "integrate", including ICA. What does integrate imply in real-world sense?

Integration is so intangible, and different for everybody. It really just means how Singaporean are you?

[Lisafuller]

Volinteering, help your neighbours, get to know ur community really well.
Participate frequently in Grassroot events in your neighbourhood.
This are the things I feel integrate I mean

Volunteering no longer holds the weight it used to, unfortunately.

[Lisafuller]

Congratulations Hope2023! Your perseverance as quoted by many, is truly admirable and inspiring.
I have a question (open to all). I have seen everyone use the word "integrate", including ICA. What does integrate imply in real-world sense?

This is not a walk-thru of how to integrate, but just a few examples of what integrations can include that are not "tangible", as it were. As an aside, this was told to me about 10 years after I gained my PR but not something I can quote due to the nature of the origination of the comment..

Let me ask you and other interested parties with the same question. When you go to work, do you work in a mixed race/ethnic setting? Where do you live? In a primarily mixed ethnic complex? e.g., balanced ethnically like in an HDB town or in a condo that has been made into an ethnic enclave of your on kind from your own country? When you go to the kopitiam for lunch or evening times gatherings with your friends (are they friends(?) or work colleagues you happen to get along with), are these 'friends' ethnically diverse or tend to be birds of a feather (subspecies, not species). If you are in a mixed gathering, to you generally speak in dialect or one of the local recognized languages accepted for the most part the local population, e.g., English which is the ligua franca of Singapore and virtually everybody under the age of 55 will be able to speak with sufficient knowledge to not be excluded by a majority of people who are foreigners speaking their foreign dialect to the consternation of others in the group.

I know your next question is how would ICA know these things? Do you know what the uniform of an ICA agent is? How about an ICA officer (not enforcement agent but undercover officer). They are just like you and maybe even I. They wear no identifying clothing or badges, hats etc. They blend in with the neighbourhood and frequent the same places as their targets do. There might be one sitting with a group of customers at the next table in the kopitiam to where your group is sitting. Much like a plainclothes police officer. They are observing. There are many ways you can be observed in your daily, non-working hours (even not going out at all also tells a story doesn't it). Most additionally are being now assisted with social media as well (back in my day it was more legwork with the net but it is still used).

I've already eaten. I give to you as food for thought.

Very good point about ICA officers, they are people just like us.

[Lisafuller]

Volunteering abuse I have no comments in that.

End of the day it's about getting to know the community and helping the fellow people near you.

Apart from volunteering , neighbour hood events is another way to integrate.

Yes it's not a guarantee that's the reason they will give you.

Years of volunteering as mentioned and continous contribution to the community will speak the difference.

If tomorrow going to apply, today don't go do volunteering.

Last line just about sums it up. ICA can see through disingenuous efforts in a second, there's no point faking.

[aquanav]

Volinteering, help your neighbours, get to know ur community really well.
Participate frequently in Grassroot events in your neighbourhood.
This are the things I feel integrate I mean

Thank you so much! Much appreciated

[aquanav]

Congratulations Hope2023! Your perseverance as quoted by many, is truly admirable and inspiring.
I have a question (open to all). I have seen everyone use the word "integrate", including ICA. What does integrate imply in real-world sense?

This is not a walk-thru of how to integrate, but just a few examples of what integrations can include that are not "tangible", as it were. As an aside, this was told to me about 10 years after I gained my PR but not something I can quote due to the nature of the origination of the comment..

Let me ask you and other interested parties with the same question. When you go to work, do you work in a mixed race/ethnic setting? Where do you live? In a primarily mixed ethnic complex? e.g., balanced ethnically like in an HDB town or in a condo that has been made into an ethnic enclave of your on kind from your own country? When you go to the kopitiam for lunch or evening times gatherings with your friends (are they friends(?) or work colleagues you happen to get along with), are these 'friends' ethnically diverse or tend to be birds of a feather (subspecies, not species). If you are in a mixed gathering, to you generally speak in dialect or one of the local recognized languages accepted for the most part the local population, e.g., English which is the ligua franca of Singapore and virtually everybody under the age of 55 will be able to speak with sufficient knowledge to not be excluded by a majority of people who are foreigners speaking their foreign dialect to the consternation of others in the group.

I know your next question is how would ICA know these things? Do you know what the uniform of an ICA agent is? How about an ICA officer (not enforcement agent but undercover officer). They are just like you and maybe even I. They wear no identifying clothing or badges, hats etc. They blend in with the neighbourhood and frequent the same places as their targets do. There might be one sitting with a group of customers at the next table in the kopitiam to where your group is sitting. Much like a plainclothes police officer. They are observing. There are many ways you can be observed in your daily, non-working hours (even not going out at all also tells a story doesn't it). Most additionally are being now assisted with social media as well (back in my day it was more legwork with the net but it is still used).

I've already eaten. I give to you as food for thought.

This is gold! Thank you so much

[PartyLike-A-Russian]

Hello,

Congratulations to those who eventually got it! There is something I want to ask. Do you think staying in an HDB as opposed to renting a condo is good for PR? My assumption it is as the applicant lives among locals, not foreigners or his/her countrymen. Isn't it integration or whatever it's called?

What do you think?

[NYY1]

Hello,

Congratulations to those who eventually got it! There is something I want to ask. Do you think staying in an HDB as opposed to renting a condo is good for PR? My assumption it is as the applicant lives among locals, not foreigners or his/her countrymen. Isn't it integration or whatever it's called?

What do you think?

My best guess would be that it can't hurt but often it doesn't really help either. I think the reality is that they (ICA/Singapore) are taking in people from the whole gamut of society, and that other factors are higher up the totem pole. However, in some cases it could help tip the scales, or at least add to or be part of the mosaic.

[Lisafuller]

Hello,

Congratulations to those who eventually got it! There is something I want to ask. Do you think staying in an HDB as opposed to renting a condo is good for PR? My assumption it is as the applicant lives among locals, not foreigners or his/her countrymen. Isn't it integration or whatever it's called?

What do you think?

Even if it helps, the difference is negligible. There are far more important factors that influence approval.

[Lisafuller]

Hello,

Congratulations to those who eventually got it! There is something I want to ask. Do you think staying in an HDB as opposed to renting a condo is good for PR? My assumption it is as the applicant lives among locals, not foreigners or his/her countrymen. Isn't it integration or whatever it's called?

What do you think?

My best guess would be that it can't hurt but often it doesn't really help either. I think the reality is that they (ICA/Singapore) are taking in people from the whole gamut of society, and that other factors are higher up the totem pole. However, in some cases it could help tip the scales, or at least add to or be part of the mosaic.

Exactly. The only way it makes a difference is if between two candidates, all other factors are equal. Otherwise, I can't see it doing very much.

[hopeislife]

Hello,

Congratulations to those who eventually got it! There is something I want to ask. Do you think staying in an HDB as opposed to renting a condo is good for PR? My assumption it is as the applicant lives among locals, not foreigners or his/her countrymen. Isn't it integration or whatever it's called?

What do you think?

The following is just my opinion and i leave it to you to decide

I believe whether you live in HDB or condo does not matter much. I know people may say if you live in HDB you may have a higher chance, but i feel it is not entirely meaningful to do so. Because, a foreigner with not so high salary, will be more inclined to rent a decent place at the lowest possible rent. Sometimes, a condo or some private property unit with 1 or 2BHK may have a lower rent than an HDB. So as a foreigner you will be having not much of an option to rent the private unit if you cannot find an HDB with lower rent. Im sure the government knows people choose a place not because they want to enclave with their expat bubbles, but that may be the place with lower rent that a person can find at that point of time. I am quite sure, they wont judge your application on where you live, especially if they know that the unit you rent is of low rent. Unless you purposely chose to rent a unit at a premium location with higher rents, you need not worry about your housing playing a role in your pr application, because that can give others an idea that this person chose to go to a high level expat housing to stay away from commoners.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Opinions are like buttholes, all have them and almost always they stink.

It was common knowledge that along with CECA, Indian Nationals created virtual enclaves in quite a few of the condos out in the Changi area (Near to the Changi business park where so many of the Banks have their IT backends located). Some complexes were virtually 100% Indian nationals. This created a huge backlash at the 2011 General Election and again in the 2015 elections (along with the virtual closed shop for all other nationalities in certain segments due to certain ethnic foreign nationals gaining Sr. positions in HR management). It cost the PAP several percentage points in votes but they still had more than enough to win, but it did signal that the local population was pretty much fed up.

[Raffles1015]

You really hit the nail on the head with your last line.

[NYY1]

Opinions are like buttholes, all have them and almost always they stink.

It was common knowledge that along with CECA, Indian Nationals created virtual enclaves in quite a few of the condos out in the Changi area (Near to the Changi business park where so many of the Banks have their IT backends located). Some complexes were virtually 100% Indian nationals. This created a huge backlash at the 2011 General Election and again in the 2015 elections (along with the virtual closed shop for all other nationalities in certain segments due to certain ethnic foreign nationals gaining Sr. positions in HR management). It cost the PAP several percentage points in votes but they still had more than enough to win, but it did signal that the local population was pretty much fed up.

Yes, but this isn't really the question? What you describe is what got some people in the penalty box or what can hurt an application (possibly so today). Does the opposite help? I'm not so sure. Clearly, there are people staying in condos that get approved and people in HDBs that unfortunately haven't been given the green light (we have one here).