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Post by ARABIA » Fri, 03 Apr 2009 2:00 pm

Hi Guys,
I am new to this site. I am a local indian....after reading all the post...I have to say I am glad that I have got a bunch of working collegues of whom 99% are Indians fm Mumbai/Delhi as well as we have Pakistanis and Bangladeshi who mingle around well with all races and nationality and we have a gathering where I am the only local indian and everyone is so friendly,helpful to all including their family members as well. They are such sweet people and we get along like families.
Anyway I guess at the end of the day, its the nature/character/upbringing of the person matters more than whether are you an indian fm Singapore or from India.

Ciao/Shan

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 03 Apr 2009 4:10 pm

Interesting thread here.

From an observers P.O.V........

Most India Indians I've met in Singapore over the past 26+ years are still firmly entrenched in the caste system regardless of what they publicly espouse. Additionally, the desi diaspora around the world regardless of where they are tend to gravitate into little communities (even within their own dialectic groupings) I observed this in the US. This is so much so, that they even would bring over a girl from the motherland to wed rather than to try to integrate into the country they are in. Whether this is good or bad? I'll reserve judgment as that is not the reason for this post.

What I am saying is that the India Indian is bringing a lot of cultural baggage with them wherever they go. And they are not giving it up easily.

Whereas, the local Indian, regardless if they are Tamil, Malayalam, Hindu, Punjabi or whatever, they all try to mingle and get along although there are still some that will stop at intermixing at marriage time!

On the other hand, the educated 'expat' imports will refuse to even acknowledge his imported brethren that are working on the construction sites alongside the Indian and Bangadesh workers there. I've seen this behaviour for years and I see it all the time in Little India as well. I've had a lot of interaction with the local Indian community and most would welcome the imported expat indian if they would only meet them half way which doesn't happen too much as it appears that the imported variety tend to think that they are better than the locals because their culture hasn't been diluted yet.

Oh, I'm a Caucasian. But as some of our longtime desi members here know, I'm also married to a local Indian here for over a quarter of a century. All the races in Singapore are approachable, now more than ever, but all you must make the first step and you must be willing to meet them at least half way. Please do not forget, 1 out of every 4 people walking around on this island is a foreigner now. The local population also has the feeling that everybody who comes here is trying to take their jobs as well. Think about it........ :wink:

Oh, yeah, the speaking of flowery archaic English that dates back to Shakespeare does tend to make you all look pretentious at best and snobbish at worst. For the rest of us, we just consider the source but the local Indian thinks it's being a poseur.

Course what do I know..... :P

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Post by mohit » Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:11 am

now after a few years of travelling and staying outside india, when i read all your experiences, i don't know who the hell i am ..

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Post by revhappy » Thu, 30 Jul 2009 4:05 pm

They should now go and see the lifestyle in Metros in India and they will be shocked and I bet you they will be repenting that they have lost Indian citizenship.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 30 Jul 2009 5:54 pm

They should now go and see the lifestyle in Metros in India and they will be shocked and I bet you they will be repenting that they have lost Indian citizenship.
And I wonder what percentage of the 1.1 billion Indians in India live like that........... :-|
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Post by revhappy » Thu, 30 Jul 2009 7:10 pm

Oh come on! The issues that you have mentioned are not deal breakers..
I am yet to hear of anybody who left India because of any of those problems that you have mentioned. Most of them left looking for greener pasturers to save few more bucks than what they could at home.

I arrived here only a month ago. No I am not heading back so soon. Planning to be here for atleast 2 years. I am also going to save a few more bucks here compared to India. But then I will have to live a frugal life in comparison to India like not owning a car living in Match box shaped and size HDB flats. Not Going to pizza hut and movies every weekend.

In India you can do all that and yet save money. In Singapore Tuff!
Its about purchasing power parity and disposable income.
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Post by akhild » Thu, 30 Jul 2009 8:03 pm

revhappy wrote:equally good life in India except for the traffic jams in the crowded Indian cities...
and the pollution and the corruption and the inefficiency and the red tape and the list goes on...

i think quality of life is a very subjective matter. to each his own..

i assume u r heading back soon for a equally good life?

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Post by revhappy » Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:45 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
They should now go and see the lifestyle in Metros in India and they will be shocked and I bet you they will be repenting that they have lost Indian citizenship.
And I wonder what percentage of the 1.1 billion Indians in India live like that........... :-|
Well! I am talking about the Indian Indians who come to Singapore. Ofcourse there is the labour class that come here who may be leading a better life than in India, again not very sure because they get paid like what 1000$ I wonder what you can do here with that kind of salary with the expensive housing... but the guys who come on a P2/P1 pass would definitely have an equally good life in India except for the traffic jams in the crowded Indian cities...
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:59 am

revhappy wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
They should now go and see the lifestyle in Metros in India and they will be shocked and I bet you they will be repenting that they have lost Indian citizenship.
And I wonder what percentage of the 1.1 billion Indians in India live like that........... :-|
Well! I am talking about the Indian Indians who come to Singapore. Ofcourse there is the labour class that come here who may be leading a better life than in India, again not very sure because they get paid like what 1000$ I wonder what you can do here with that kind of salary with the expensive housing... but the guys who come on a P2/P1 pass would definitely have an equally good life in India except for the traffic jams in the crowded Indian cities...
There you go, caste system at work again. And apparently quality of life isn't the same if you have the massive traffic jams in the "crowded" cities. So obviously it's not the same and I doubt seriously that anybody would want to give up the ability to travel the distances here to & from work in Air Conditioned comfort without the stench and pollution and poverty all around them that they would experience in their own country/city. There is more to life than just money. But then again, you probably have a lot of years left before you realize that....... :wink:
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Post by akhild » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:39 am

ur post is so biased. lets see:
revhappy wrote: Oh come on! The issues that you have mentioned are not deal breakers..
I am yet to hear of anybody who left India because of any of those problems that you have mentioned. Most of them left looking for greener pasturers to save few more bucks than what they could at home.
u r obviously hanging out with your kind? birds of a feather?
revhappy wrote: I arrived here only a month ago. No I am not heading back so soon. Planning to be here for atleast 2 years. I am also going to save a few more bucks here compared to India. But then I will have to live a frugal life in comparison to India like not owning a car living in Match box shaped and size HDB flats. Not Going to pizza hut and movies every weekend.
car, condo and other C's aside, u really cant go to pizza hut n movie every weekend? hmm..
revhappy wrote:In India you can do all that and yet save money. In Singapore Tuff!
Its about purchasing power parity and disposable income.

Have a look at the link below and you know where the 2 countries stand!

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _GDP_(PPP)"
How about quality of life that you have been boasting about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

wat are your thoughts on those rankings?

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Post by revhappy » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 2:13 pm

Not sure what you are trying to prove.

The whole world knows that India lacks infrastructure and a huge part of the population doesnt have access to basic amenities.

But what the world thinks is that entire India is that way, a land of snake charmers and call centre operators.

What I am trying to say is India has a burgeoning middle class that has the purchasing power that many people in the developed world do not enjoy!
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Post by akhild » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 3:34 pm

revhappy wrote:
Not sure what you are trying to prove.
trying to prove biases, unsubstantiated-generic claims and universally quantified statements wrong.
revhappy wrote: The whole world knows that India lacks infrastructure and a huge part of the population doesnt have access to basic amenities.
agree. but its changing and changing fast.

revhappy wrote: But what the world thinks is that entire India is that way, a land of snake charmers and call centre operators.
disagree. Sitting in India, what propaganda channels show you about what people overseas think about India doesn't mean its the truth.
People know and respect India, like the respect any other country. Of course you will encounter people who still carry colonial age biases and stuff. Dude, they are seriously not worth your time.

revhappy wrote: What I am trying to say is India has a burgeoning middle class that has the purchasing power that many people in the developed world do not enjoy!
I admire you for swiftly changing for a social caste system (some of your previous posts) to a economic class system. I have to agree with this one.

My initial reservation was the way you were whining about how you cannot do stuff in SG that you could do in IN.

Have you ever thought of the cost of intangibles? Probably not, because it hasn't dawned upon you ever (and I pray to god it doesnt. ever!)

Does it help to live in buglows and drive marutis but die young with lung cancer because of equivalent of 40 odd cigarettes you smoke due to pollution? What's the cost there?

Does it help to fork out half a year's salary in bribes to get your children admitted to basic schools? Did you count that cost?

Does it help to see deserving young kids loose engineering college seats to some politician's relatives? These so called engineers build bridges that collapse in 2 years and kill people. Did anybody count that cost?

I can go on for this till the cows come home.. my only point is that every place has it's goods and bads. Don't assume what you think is quality of life is everybody's definition.

you are a young and intelligent fellow. contribute where you can add value, and not destroy it.
develop ability to accept other point of views without necessarily subscribing to them..

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Post by valleyman » Wed, 16 Sep 2009 4:51 pm

I found this topic very interesting, so adding my 2 cents to it.

To the original question - do you all find it hard to mix with the local indians here or do you just prefer to mix with your own country men ?

I would say no. I have been in Singapore for close to 4+ years now and I have never faced any problems socialising with local Indians. (I am not Tamil BTW). More than seeing them as Indians I see them as Singaporeans and they have all the positives that Singaporeans are know for - polite, helpful etc. Sure there are surly people but that has nothing to do with their race and more to do with the individual.

To revhappy : What you are facing is a stage of cultural shock when everything back home looks rosy/happy as compared to where you are. Don't worry you will get over it.

I have spent close to one-third of my life abroad now and have lived in a few other developed countries in the western world. I have settled for Singapore now as it is one of the cleanest, foreigner friendly, meritocratic and efficient countries of the world. I love my country, but comparing Singapore to India in terms of development/social/infrastructure or any index for that matter is an absurdity. We still have a long long long way to go before we can be a Singapore!

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Post by Amit Ram » Mon, 23 Nov 2009 5:02 am

i would like to add my view here

i feel local Indians though majority Tamils, they have showed up positively as Indians in general, be it buisness to politics they have playd major roles in Singapore.

i heard out of the 6 presidents of Singapore 2 were Indians which include the current President also the longest serving one for 10yrs.
One of the 4 founding father of Singapore was an Indian called Rajaratnam along with Mr Lee
Looking at the political circle of Singapore, Local Indians have a good reupation there.
As far as culture is concern , all Hindu temples are well maintained and by the book and law.
I am a mix of Malayaalee and Gujerathi but i have learnt to speak Tamil as an Indian it is my duty to continue the good works of the local Indians rather than messing up as said by one of the forumer.
Remember we are one infact, be it from India or outside India, Indian Culture is well maintained in Singapore, thanks to the Singapore born Indians as new Indians we have to appreciate their good work and go along with it .
We have to take the effort to read about the local achievements of the Singapore Indians, it is a pride to us.
Regardless of Singapore, Surinam, Scychelles or Malaysia as an Indian we have to read about the histroy of the local Indians and recongnise the good works.
Depavali/Diwali is a public Holiday here
One of the biggest procession of Singapore is a Hindu Festival
which takes place in late Jan-Feb

One bad experience i encountered, when i travelled to Malaysia with a Hindustani friend, we visited an Indian restaurant in Johore Bahru just 20min from the Singapore border of woodlands , we were approached by a friendly Indian waiter, and the friend of mine spoke to the waiter in Hindi, thats a mistake of my friend as Malaysia is another Indian Majority country home to nearly 2million local Indian Hindus who are mainly Tamils, after that the treatment was entirely different, the waiter just left and no one came to our table except for few starings here and there at us. The Malysian Indians are much rougher and patriotic when concern Tamil or Hinduism, we were approached by 3 guys asking us whether we have a problem with the Malaysian Indians and such, gosh we thank God nothing went wrong and matter got smoother after conversation and we apologised, lucky that i was able to speak in Tamil with them.
After that the entire senario was otherwise, we were offered free lunch and those guys out there welcome us to Malaysia knowing that we were expats from India to Singapore.

You see either they are very bad or good, this kinda situation is no differnt in India from state to state as in the attitude is concern, i cant speak Kannada or Malayalam to a guy in Maharashtra right, coz if i do the reaction will be otherwise .

So let us live together and work together :wink:

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Post by MetropolitanGuy » Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:51 am

I am a local indian guy here..

its not true that all local indians are arrogant though u may find lots.. like everywhere else including india , u will find all kinds of people... so its not good to generalise..

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